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		<title>By: Capitalists, Entrepreneurs, and Peer Production — Technology Liberation Front</title>
		<link>http://jed.jive.com/2007/02/capitalists-vs-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-18926</link>
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		<description>[...] Harris has a fantastic post about how peer production introduces a fissure between capitalists and entrepreneurs: Before [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The pathologies of capitalism&#8230; &#171; Check Your Premises</title>
		<link>http://jed.jive.com/2007/02/capitalists-vs-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-11282</link>
		<dc:creator>The pathologies of capitalism&#8230; &#171; Check Your Premises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are against the open source movement, and how it illustrates the pathologies of capitalism: Capitalists vs Entrepreneurs. Before widespread peer production, the entrepreneur’s and capitalist’s definitions of success [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2008-05-29 &#8211; Dump the rentiers off your back</title>
		<link>http://jed.jive.com/2007/02/capitalists-vs-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-10782</link>
		<dc:creator>Rad Geek People&#8217;s Daily 2008-05-29 &#8211; Dump the rentiers off your back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 00:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a great post from a bit more than a year ago at Anomalous Presumptions (2007-02-26), which I just got around to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How peer production transcends capitalism: entrepreneurs vs. capitalists, for-benefit vs. for-profit &#187; P2P Foundation</title>
		<link>http://jed.jive.com/2007/02/capitalists-vs-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-4144</link>
		<dc:creator>How peer production transcends capitalism: entrepreneurs vs. capitalists, for-benefit vs. for-profit &#187; P2P Foundation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] missed this great post by the Anomalous Presumptions blog, which also focuses on peer [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Does Peer Production Turn Capitalists Against Entrepreneurs? at myninjaplease</title>
		<link>http://jed.jive.com/2007/02/capitalists-vs-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-1629</link>
		<dc:creator>Does Peer Production Turn Capitalists Against Entrepreneurs? at myninjaplease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] misaligned capitalists and entrepreneurs. It&#8217;s based on a blog post by Jed Harris trying to explain the same concept. The two posts suggest that traditionally the view of capitalists (those with money to invest, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] misaligned capitalists and entrepreneurs. It&#8217;s based on a blog post by Jed Harris trying to explain the same concept. The two posts suggest that traditionally the view of capitalists (those with money to invest, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anomalous Presumptions &#187; Capital is just another factor</title>
		<link>http://jed.jive.com/2007/02/capitalists-vs-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-1526</link>
		<dc:creator>Anomalous Presumptions &#187; Capital is just another factor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lots of people came to see Capitalists vs. Entrepreneurs, via great responses by Tim Lee, Jesse Walker, Tech and Science News Updates, and Logan Ferree [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Carson</title>
		<link>http://jed.jive.com/2007/02/capitalists-vs-entrepreneurs/comment-page-1/#comment-1489</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post!  I&#039;m glad I found your blog.

I doubt there are many libertarians who see OS or Wikipedia as threats to the market--just look at Eric Raymond and Jimmy Wales.  Aside from a handful of Galambosians and patent-worshipping Randroids, I think they&#039;re pretty much the choir for this sermon.  

Where I think they might be less likely to come on board is the extent to which peer-production in the information field will have an effect on the larger meta-system that includes physical manufacturing.

Most of the the old Tom Peters rhetoric about &quot;oursourcing everything,&quot; &quot;self-managed teams,&quot; etc., to the extent that it was actually put into practice, has occurred within corporate frameworks where the HQ retains ownership of intellectual property, branding, and finance.  A good example is Nike, where the actual production facilities are outsourced to idependently owned sweatshops, but Nike&#039;s ownership of the trademark enables it to charge tribute in the form of a brand-name markup.

Such forms of legal privilege operate, more broadly, as a sort of toll-gate enabling the old corporate economy to charge tribute in most areas of cultural and knowledge production.  As Benkler pointed out, a majority of Americans own the basic capital equipment for knowledge production--the personal computer--and can obtain capital equipment for high quality desktop publishing, music editing, etc., for at most a few thousand $$ more.  The entry barriers are virtually non-existent, and the marginal reproduction cost is zero.   The only thing stopping knowledge and entertainment workers from becoming self-employed peer-group syndicates is the legal privileges upheld by the copyright Nazis.

But I suspect we&#039;ve reached a singularity where the cost of detecting and punishing transgressions against the IP gatekeepers is greater than the benefit; and from here on out the costs of enforcement will rise at the same time as the costs of evasion will fall.

The same is true, to a lesser extent, in physical production with low overhead and capitalization costs. A good example is temp employment, where the temp agency typically charges the employer three times what it pays the worker, even though administrative costs per unit of labor are very low.  Temp employment is ripe for cooperative ownership on the pattern of the longshoremen&#039;s hiring hall.  Probably the biggest barrier is non-competition agreements and other contractual restrictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post!  I&#8217;m glad I found your blog.</p>
<p>I doubt there are many libertarians who see OS or Wikipedia as threats to the market&#8211;just look at Eric Raymond and Jimmy Wales.  Aside from a handful of Galambosians and patent-worshipping Randroids, I think they&#8217;re pretty much the choir for this sermon.  </p>
<p>Where I think they might be less likely to come on board is the extent to which peer-production in the information field will have an effect on the larger meta-system that includes physical manufacturing.</p>
<p>Most of the the old Tom Peters rhetoric about &#8220;oursourcing everything,&#8221; &#8220;self-managed teams,&#8221; etc., to the extent that it was actually put into practice, has occurred within corporate frameworks where the HQ retains ownership of intellectual property, branding, and finance.  A good example is Nike, where the actual production facilities are outsourced to idependently owned sweatshops, but Nike&#8217;s ownership of the trademark enables it to charge tribute in the form of a brand-name markup.</p>
<p>Such forms of legal privilege operate, more broadly, as a sort of toll-gate enabling the old corporate economy to charge tribute in most areas of cultural and knowledge production.  As Benkler pointed out, a majority of Americans own the basic capital equipment for knowledge production&#8211;the personal computer&#8211;and can obtain capital equipment for high quality desktop publishing, music editing, etc., for at most a few thousand $$ more.  The entry barriers are virtually non-existent, and the marginal reproduction cost is zero.   The only thing stopping knowledge and entertainment workers from becoming self-employed peer-group syndicates is the legal privileges upheld by the copyright Nazis.</p>
<p>But I suspect we&#8217;ve reached a singularity where the cost of detecting and punishing transgressions against the IP gatekeepers is greater than the benefit; and from here on out the costs of enforcement will rise at the same time as the costs of evasion will fall.</p>
<p>The same is true, to a lesser extent, in physical production with low overhead and capitalization costs. A good example is temp employment, where the temp agency typically charges the employer three times what it pays the worker, even though administrative costs per unit of labor are very low.  Temp employment is ripe for cooperative ownership on the pattern of the longshoremen&#8217;s hiring hall.  Probably the biggest barrier is non-competition agreements and other contractual restrictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Tech and Science News Updates! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Does Peer Production Turn Capitalists Against Entrepreneurs?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tech and Science News Updates! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Does Peer Production Turn Capitalists Against Entrepreneurs?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] misaligned capitalists and entrepreneurs. It&#8217;s based on a blog post by Jed Harris trying to explain the same concept. The two posts suggest that traditionally the view of capitalists (those with money to invest, [...]</description>
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